Lucy Snyder ([info]las) wrote,
@ 2008-04-22 10:52:00
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Penguicon report Part II
In my earlier report I forgot to mention the coolest thing that happened at the convention!

Angie Fox arranged for me to have a complimentary table to display books and do signing etc. (thanks again, Angie!) I spent a lot of the convention at the table because people kept coming up to chat.

On Saturday, a man in an Ox costume came up to the table with a box in one hoof and a clipboard in the other. He silently handed me the clipboard; on it were names of various nifty guests and places for them to sign. Not having the faintest idea what was going, I put my initials by my name. The Ox Man then handed me the box, which had my name on the top.

"What's in the box?" Gary asked.

At this point I was flashing on the movie Se7en. The silent Ox Man made a "continue" motion with his hooves.

"I think you're supposed to open it," Gary prompted.

So, with terror in my heart, I opened the mystery box.

Inside was a stuffed toy badger with little Xs for eyes and a handmade toe tag.

image courtesy ACME Delivery
(image above courtesy [info]vakkotaur)

Best. Guest gift. Evar! I laughed long and hard.

Another cool gift we got was a souvenir wooden blank bullet from Romania, courtesy of Michael Z. Williamson. He told us that his supplier says these wooden bullets are used to minimize target shooters' lead exposure, but of course that's a fabrication: clearly wooden Romanian bullets are ammunition against vampires!

The next day the Ox Man came by out of costume and I gave him a copy of Installing Linux on a Dead Badger.

I must have signed at least 30 copies of the book during the course of the convention. While I was in a panel, some guy came by the table and lectured Gary that we'd made "a terrible mistake" having ILDB "traditionally published" and that if I'd had any sense I should have self-published the book.

Riiiiight.

Pete at CGP gave me all the control I wanted over the project, and since project control is cited as the main advantage of self-publishing, we can scratch that off the list.

What other advantage would I have had if I'd self-published? Oh, right. I'd have had to pay for printing and artwork and copy-editing and everything else that Pete and co. have taken care of. And I would have had to beg and plead reviewers to accept the book, and have most of them shut the door in my face. That'd be all kinds of advantageous, wouldn't it?

The guy who lectured Gary on the evils of traditional publishing clearly thought we'd wasted time on a lengthy editorial process. Yep, guilty as charged: the book took me a couple of years to put together because I wanted most of the stories to go through the magazine editing process and to get some reader feedback before I wrote follow-up stories. Me and my silly desire for quality control!

The parties Saturday night were a lot of fun, although Gary and I were too tired to stay up terribly late (and also the architecture of the 3rd floor of the hotel was strange and gave us vertigo). We ran into author Anne Harris on her way to the roving Pirate Party, had a pleasant-but-brief chat with her, and we saw Tobias Buckell at a distance.

On a final note, here's a video montage that [info]timeshredder made of the convention; you can see me and Gary for about 1.5 seconds ;-)



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[info]jimhines
2008-04-22 04:00 pm UTC (link)
Shame on you, wasting all that time on things like editing and proofreading and making sure the final project looked professional. Seriously, what were you thinking?

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[info]las
2008-04-22 04:03 pm UTC (link)
I know! I'm a nut.

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-22 05:29 pm UTC (link)
As long as you're not planning to correct the mistake with SPELLBENT, we're fine.

--Bob-Your-Agent™

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[info]las
2008-04-22 05:36 pm UTC (link)
Perish the thought ;-)

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[info]the_impassive
2008-04-22 06:22 pm UTC (link)
1. Ok, the Acme Ox & the people arranging the gifts are my absolute heroes. That is SO COOL.

2. Self-publishey-lecturey-guy: OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE ALREADY.

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[info]vakkotaur
2008-04-22 07:08 pm UTC (link)
ACME had many co-conspirators this year. They came up with many good ideas. I am not aware of all the specifics, but the con staff is full of neat folks with good ideas. Molly, [info]etain, is probably the one to either thank or pass along the thanks for this particular delivery idea.

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[info]las
2008-04-22 07:14 pm UTC (link)
I will be sure to thank her!

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[info]las
2008-04-22 07:35 pm UTC (link)
At this point I mind the self-publishing cheerleaders/lecturers slightly less than the folks I meet who insist that Books Just Magically Sell Themselves And Therefore Promotion Is Unnecessary And Unjustifiably Evil.

I mean, okay, I find promotion pretty distasteful. But it's necessary, so I view it as part of the job. And I keep running into people (not usually writers) who are all like "I'd never buy any book that had to be ADVERTISED! I learn about worthy books from FRIENDS!" If these people's friends find out about new books through magical telepathy (rather than, say, displays at B&N, or book reviews) I'm all for it. I want me some telepathy, too! But yanno.

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[info]steve98052
2008-04-23 02:21 pm UTC (link)
One of my friends had a book that's not something anyone is likely to want. (I wrote about it in this message, friend-locked so the author wouldn't see it and be sad.) She falls into the category of people who think their book is so fantastic that it should sell itself.

I can see people justifying their own self-publishing on grounds that they have a book that people will buy, even though it doesn't fit into any publisher's catalogue. Sure, if it's good, there probably is a publisher that has a use for it somewhere, but occasionally self-publishing is a path toward selling a book people will buy.

But dismissing others for publishing through a real publisher? Can't they accept that a real publisher may be the path of less resistance for someone else, even if it isn't for them? As far as I can tell, the only people who are better off self-publishing are those who use it as a step toward regular publishing and those who are so rich that they self-publish by buying their own publishing house (and maybe those who don't know the difference between vanity presses and real publishers: they're better off self-publishing than getting screwed by a vanity press).

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[info]las
2008-04-23 03:40 pm UTC (link)
I think some people have got it in their heads that publishers are just these parasitic middlemen that do nothing but take food from writers' mouths. And that's just crazy talk. Self-publishing, when done intelligently and with good results in terms of getting books into readers' hands, requires work and skill and savvy far beyond the resources of most people who will dive into it.

I do know a couple of people who've self-published with good results. But they did it with niche projects (which other publishers had rejected as good but not something they knew how to sell) and knew exactly what they were doing from a publishing standpoint (insofar as anyone can).

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[info]las
2008-04-26 12:59 pm UTC (link)
Relatively few authors get sent on book tours, in my experience. It can happen if you're (1) with a very large publisher with a good promotions budget, (2) known to the publisher to be a good public speaker/reader, and (3) pretty/handsome. (1) is possibly modifiable if you're with a reasonably well-funded small press that wants to push the heck out of your book, but even then you're not looking at a long tour.

My husband, for instance, has had a bunch of books out, and has never been sent on a publisher-sponsored book tour. We do what we can to get him to conventions and to set up local/regional readings and signings, and yes, it's tiring (and expensive) even when dealing with bookstores that were going to stock his books anyway because they're mass-market releases.

Why hasn't Gary been sent on a sponsored tour? Maybe his publisher feels he's managing on his own. He does great story readings, and I've started to joke with him that it's not a real convention unless he ends up with a drunk, starry-eyed fangirl on him like a bad suit jacket at some point. So, there's audience interest there ;-)

A friend of mine has been sent on a couple of tours by her publisher. She's an excellent writer and a riveting story performer, and even she finds the whole thing exhausting even though she gets assistants in strange cities etc.

But if you're small press, you will have to do the tour thing all on your own, but there are other ways to promote a book. And tours aren't likely to have good results for shy people anyhow.

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Re: Book Tours
[info]steve98052
2008-04-26 01:14 pm UTC (link)
That makes sense. My father doesn't do book tours; it's more the opposite. He writes a book, and gets a flood of requests to speak to groups on the book's topic. He makes way more on the speaking engagements than on the books themselves.

There exists a middle ground on book tours, between the author doing it all and the publisher doing all of it except the actual personal appearances. If the author is traveling somewhere anyway, the publisher may handle the logistics of setting up appearances. I met one woman who travels to visit her numerous, geographically dispersed kids and grandkids. I'm fairly sure that her publisher does the dirty work of finding suitable locations for readings and such, when she'll be somewhere on her own ticket. That's a good division of resources for a publisher on a budget – they (presumably) know where to hold a personal appearance, but they don't have to front the money for the travel.

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[info]las
2008-04-26 01:01 pm UTC (link)
Ack, I deleted your comment -- I'm sorry about that, I was trying to delete my mis-submitted incomplete reply. I shouldn't try to do this stuff before I've had coffee :-\

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[info]steve98052
2008-04-26 01:03 pm UTC (link)
I resurrect it by reposting it from the notify e-mail:

Yeah, my friend who self-published is prone to conspiracy theory anyway, so I wouldn't be surprised if she interpreted publishers' lack of interest in her book as a plot against her, rather than independent recognition of the book's lack of a market (beyond that of friends who are willing to do her a favor by buying it). Last I heard, she's sold five copies.

A book tour, even with the aid of a supportive publisher, sounds like a daunting project. Handling all the logistics myself, including endless calls to retailers who are probably skeptical about self-publishing authors to arrange readings, travel, and so forth? That sounds like hell. But for someone with a good book in a hard-to-place niche, who doesn't consider that sort of thing a nightmare, it's a reasonable path.

I'd strongly prefer to spend my time studying up on what sort of publishers might fit my (hypothetical) book, writing cover letters, printing a chapter or two, and mailing the stuff off to someone who might handle the dirty work for me, and give me 15% of their gross if they like my work. If someone eventually asks me to do a book tour, that's cool, but I really don't want to figure out the entire itinerary myself.

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[info]vakkotaur
2008-04-22 07:01 pm UTC (link)
Here's a photo of the STAKE rounds. Michael Z. Williamson had ACME deliver them to Sarah Hoyt at LibertyCon 20 in 2007.

The ACME Delivery Products Page now has an entry (look under Specialty) going to a page showing the unfortunate badger.

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[info]las
2008-04-22 07:14 pm UTC (link)
Cool, thanks for the link! I posted the photo in the journal entry -- I hope you don't mind.

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[info]vakkotaur
2008-04-22 07:26 pm UTC (link)
I certainly do not mind. You are most welcome.

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[info]drpearce
2008-04-22 08:37 pm UTC (link)
aw, shucks.

Also -- being called "traditional publisher" is a huge boost. :) Makes me warm and fuzzy.

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[info]las
2008-04-22 08:43 pm UTC (link)
I thought you might be cheered by that ;-)

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[info]yaoi_slut
2008-04-22 09:02 pm UTC (link)
Lmao, that's a great gift. XD How creative, too.

The guy who was so pro-self-publishing? Wha? How is that a benefit toward you in any way? Yeah, I get that you have more control over promotion, but who would want to deal with that one their own? Unless you have connections out the wazoo, that's a little ridiculous.

Glad you had fun, though. That looks like a fun convention.

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[info]las
2008-04-22 09:21 pm UTC (link)
re: the pro self-publishing thing: writers who self-publish get so much criticism (much justified, some not) from various corners that they feel compelled to defend their decision to do it. And so you'll see a fair number of self-published writers beating the Self Publishing Is Great And You Can Do It Too! drum. People hear these stories along with the isolated success stories (like Eragon) and then they totally buy the notion that "traditional" publishing is stuffy and passé and the evil editors are keepin' the little guy down etc.

But, yes, it was a fun convention :)

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[info]horrorworld
2008-04-22 11:44 pm UTC (link)
Have you *read* Eragon? I couldn't get past the first chapter. Glad I picked it up and read it at B&N and didn't pay for it.

Cool, cool, cool gift - I love it!!

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[info]las
2008-04-23 01:29 am UTC (link)
re: Eragon: I actually haven't tried it; I was dissuaded by reports from friends who said it was really bad.

But, OTOH it ended in the sweet hardback deal, sold very well, and was turned into a movie etc. so from that standpoint it's a big success.

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[info]hkneale
2008-04-23 01:07 pm UTC (link)
Movie was okay, but like [info]horrorworld, I couldn't get through the first chapter either.

As for anti-trad-pub guy...

Huh, wha--?

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Pcon
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2008-04-25 01:01 am UTC (link)
A pair of quick notes but first, shameless fawning. It was lovely to see you and speak together and I wish we'd had more time. Thank you eversomuch for your patience.

Moving on. Re: self-publishing. I'll say this on the subject for perspective. I did it with one book. I'm happy with the reasons and the results. I also recommend that other people not do it. (I say this especially loudly at the writing workshops.) Re: logistics and the schedule. I'm sorry. Wasn't my fault (matters left my hands months before the con--I'm late with a book) but I suspected it might occur and could have mitigated the situation had I known. Usually they do a very good job of giving every panelist a packet that includes badge and personalized schedule. Not so this year but I expect next year to be back on track. (Since you're a con. vet, I'll leave it there and assume you understand the rest.)

Did I mention how nice it was to see you? And that I really wish Gary had been on panels too? And how much I personally appreciated the help very early on with the original panel choices?

MKeaton

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[info]las
2008-04-25 02:16 am UTC (link)
Hi there, it was good to meet you at the con as well! I'm glad to hear that the individual schedules were a planned thing -- I totally understand the nutty disasters that can happen pre-con. Provided gas isn't $7 a gallon next year Gary and I will be back :)

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[info]flaggerx
2008-04-22 10:25 pm UTC (link)
That Badger is cool beyond description. I hope you have it displayed in a prominant place In fact, It could make a good icon for you.

Can't wait to see it!

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[info]las
2008-04-22 10:42 pm UTC (link)
It's still packed, but will be coming out this evening :)

[info]0olong did make a USB zombie badger in honor of my book, but I've only seen pictures so far.

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[info]dogzilla30
2008-04-24 12:45 am UTC (link)
I heart your dead badger. :)

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[info]las
2008-04-25 02:16 am UTC (link)
:)

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[info]vakkotaur
2008-05-01 02:28 am UTC (link)
I posted this on the Penguicon LJ community, but in case you didn't see it there, the ACME Delivery Penguicon 2008 gallery is up now. If you're interested (or just bored?) there is some backstory to things in this LJ post.

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[info]las
2008-05-01 10:37 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the links!

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[info]opalexian
2008-05-02 11:11 pm UTC (link)
DO NOT SHOOT CRIS WITH YOUR FILTHY VAMIPIRE-SLAYINGWOODEN BULLET!

that badger is indeed the best gift ever (although a head woulda been kinda funny too...hey, at least it wouldn't have been Gary's! >_>)

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